Bontrager Works 22mm rear sway bar kit - Page 18

svxfiles · #**256** 10-13-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Here is a youtube video of ZMan's 94 SVX With the Bontrager sway bar installed and heim endlinks. He mounted a camera underneath the car and filmed it working at speed.

VIDEO

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In the video that John posted although we can not actualy the top bolt of the link, on his car it looks like lots of clearance.

svxcess · #**257** 10-13-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by subarusvx1992

I am not sure if this is the case for anyone else, but for me, once the heim joints are lubed they are whisper quiet. However, once the lubrication is dry the joints begin to rattle. To combat this, I have been researching these:

http://www.sealsit.com/rodendboots.asp

I am in contact with the company and will hopefully be ordering a set of the 14mm boots tomorrow. Once these boots are packed with grease I am hoping that the endlinks will be acceptably quiet and still allow us to maintain the excellent performance of the heim joints.

Are these the RERS 3
Male: 14mm, 16mm, 18mm
Female: 14mm, 16mm, 18mm

$28.50 for a pack of 6?

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svxfiles · #**258** 10-13-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Exactly what are we talking about with these tight clearances? Is this something unique to Tom's pearlie?

Photo of my right end link while in the air. I assume the end of the strut should move upward somewhat when on the ground, closer to the brake line.I am surprised YT did not see this potential problem when installing them, 1/4" is a pretty thin margin.

I just measured a still stock SVX on the lift for comparison.
On the passenger side a 5/16" drill bit shank can pass between the banjo bolt and the stock link, BUT it POPS through!
On the drivers side the clearance is just over 1/2"

subarusvx1992 · #**259** 10-13-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Are these the RERS 3
Male: 14mm, 16mm, 18mm
Female: 14mm, 16mm, 18mm

$28.50 for a pack of 6?

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Yes, I emailed them regarding how they measure the size of their boots, but I think those are going to be the ones that I end up ordering.

Lookin4SVX · #**260** 10-13-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

And for those who haven't seen it, Here is a youtube video of ZMan's 94 SVX With the Bontrager sway bar installed and heim endlinks. He mounted a camera underneath the car and filmed it working at speed.

VIDEO

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Slightly off topic from the endlink clearance..
At 2:18secs in the video, Is this the noise that the noisy endlinks make???

alia176 · #**261** 10-13-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by svxfiles

OK, It was the top bolt that contacted the banjo bolt at the brake line on the passenger side caliper.
It did not break the bolt, but nuged it enough for a fluid loss, causing the pedal to go to all the way to the floor, slowly..

I had the same issue but I was using the oem end links with this sway bar. I posted about it on this thread:

http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/show...light=sway+bar

This is why my bar is out of the vehicle until a good resolution has been found.

sunvalleyray · #**262** 10-13-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by svxfiles

Ray, can you measure the width of your bar,
the outside to outside?

OT,

My best estimate for the length of Nevin's bar, outside to outside, is 122.5 cm or 48 1/4". The bar is difficult to measure on the car with the lateral links, suspension and drive train in the way but that is my best measurement.

The more I look at this the more I am concerned for it does appear that there is little room between the outside bolt and the banjo bolt. How difficult would it be to bend Nevin's bar to create more clearance?

Ray

svxcess · #**263** 10-14-2011, 09:27 AM

Shot of my right rear endlink from the original installation. car on lift.

But whose is this? I found this on my computer. Looks like a problem but can't figure it out from the photo. Looks like the end link bolt and the banjo bolt are almost touching.

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svxcess · #**264** 10-14-2011, 10:53 AM

Jurt spoke with Larry Singer (Larry III). He has the uninstalled swaybar he won at Reading in his basement.

He is going to take an exact end-to-end measurement at the outside of the flat ends and get back to me or post here.

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sunvalleyray · #**265** 10-14-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Jurt spoke with Larry Singer (Larry III). He has the uninstalled swaybar he won at Reading in his basement.

He is going to take an exact end-to-end measurement at the outside of the flat ends and get back to me or post here.

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Great idea, good work.

Ray

LetItSnow · #**266** 10-14-2011, 05:32 PM

By request, I've come out of my Webbatical (no forums or Facebook for a week, just to see what it's like - and it's nice) to offer my take on Nevin's bar.

My clearance is comparable to John's - no chance of hitting the brakes. My endlinks provided no noise, and I would have noticed in my former car - the exhaust was stock and functional. I would say that it had no ill effects in those regards.

Regarding the tail happy nature of the car after the bar is installed, YES IT WILL LOOSEN THE BACK END UP. This is what these bars do! They cut understeer, and depending on your springs, they will invoke oversteer. If you're shopping for outright safety, it was installed at the factory. If you are hunting for neutral steer as your balance and can resist the temptation to hurl your car around in the wet (which is as dumb an idea with the stock bar, all told) then the bar will benefit you.

There's no doubt in my mind that the bar will have a more pronounced effect as you lean toward stock springs. With the 450/385 springs on the Silver, it retained a touch of understeer, but the power and DCCD more than make up for that. With the 385/315 springs, it found a very neutral handling characteristic, and I'd find that to be more than safe for any sensible driver to use. I can't speak for stock springs combined with the bar, but I don't know that I'd try it unless I wanted things to loosen up substantially.

It's a great product. I'd say that giving Ground Control a call first is a good idea, though, and that knowing enough about suspension tuning to be able to choose springs to match this bar and natural frequencies and steer characteristics would also benefit you. Bits and pieces are chosen in specific measurements for a reason, and in my local community, I know only one other guy who's done the math behind his spring choices.

John, what's the driver's side of the unknown car's bar look like?

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Originally Posted by alia176

...my bar is out of the vehicle until a good resolution has been found.

I don't wanna be that guy, but I guess I got stuck again. Here's a resolution: heavier capacity endlinks. They come with the bar. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Jurt spoke with Larry Singer (Larry III). He has the uninstalled swaybar he won at Reading in his basement.

I don't wanna be that guy, but I guess I got stuck again. A year and a half in the basement? Sounds like time to cut it off from its World of Warcraft account. Fair enough to do what you like with your prize, but this kind of ought to have been installed and used, sort of.

I hope that helps, John. Back into my Webbatical! (Did I mention it's nice there?)

svxcess · #**267** 10-14-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LetItSnow

A year and a half in the basement? Sounds like time to cut it off from its World of Warcraft account. Fair enough to do what you like with your prize, but this kind of ought to have been installed and used, sort of.

We're not even going to talk about the Stebro exhaust sitting next to the bar...

Wait, I just did

Maybe he's having a lot of trouble making the decision of which of the 4 SVXs to put it on.

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icingdeath88 · #**268** 10-14-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevin

p.s. icingdeath, I still haven't received your old links back. Maybe I didn't communicate clearly, but I did need them back so I could send them to the manufacturer. I have a place make these specifically for this car, so when I told them that yours were acting up, they said they'd like to look at them to see if they can improve the design, and figure out what went wrong. Email me back if you like. nevinbontrager@gmail.com

Email sent.

Lots of good ideas in this thread. I am sure there is a good solution out there.

svxcess · #**269** 10-16-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by svxcess

Jurt spoke with Larry Singer (Larry III). He has the uninstalled swaybar he won at Reading in his basement.

He is going to take an exact end-to-end measurement at the outside of the flat ends and get back to me or post here.

Got a reply from LarryIII this afternoon. His reply:

The length of the outside of the bar end flats is 47 inches exactly, on my bar.

It looks like this dimension can vary slightly based on the angle of the bends in the bar.

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Originally Posted by sunvalleyray

My best estimate for the length of Nevin's bar, outside to outside, is 122.5 cm or 48 1/4". The bar is difficult to measure on the car with the lateral links, suspension and drive train in the way but that is my best measurement.

That's a big difference!

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alia176 · #**270** 10-16-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LetItSnow

I don't wanna be that guy, but I guess I got stuck again. Here's a resolution: heavier capacity endlinks. They come with the bar. Sorry.

No problem, be that guy. Heavier end link with heim joints on a car that sees dirt rads daily is not the resolution for me, unfortuantely. As it appears, it's not the best in class solution for others either. Installing rubber boots on end links is a band aid at best but it's a start.

I was curious as to what happened to the end link from an Infinity (I think?) on at least one SVX. It looked good in the pic that was posted in the past.