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[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by NikFu S.

I'm not even aware if a PS2 emulator exists. I just enjoyed pointing out his computer isn't fast enough to handle one were it possible to try.

So if you don't know whether or not one exists, how can you use it to benchmark a machine you know nothing about?

[NikFu S.]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets

So if you don't know whether or not one exists, how can you use it to benchmark a machine you know nothing about?

The PS2 is designed to play PS2 games at a reasonable speed and framerate.
Computers are designed to run programs.
I know 3 things: PS2 games are not designed to run through layers or virtual machines.
You can't devote all your system's resources to a single application.
Video cards are one of the fastest components of a computer.

Going off experience, an emulated program will usually run at 1/3 the speed of the original, unless you have a high-end system with system bus speed/mainboard clock frequency exceeding 1Gh, which last I checked, doesn't exist.

'Course it's been a while since I checked, so I guess you could say it's merely speculation.

[Mr. Pockets]

You're still benchmarking a system you know nothing about with a program you can't say exists.

So, yes, your claims are nothing but speculation.

[majeskyb]

Originally posted by NikFu S.

You can't devote all your system's resources to a single application.

Actually, you can (aside from vital system functions). I used to do t all the time when I would render pictures in Bryce. Just open the task manager, goto processes, right mouse click on the program (that you want to have all available resources), and set the priority to "real time". Boy will that ever make your computer run like an 8088 when you're doing some heavy lifting. Last time I did that, the mouse wouldn't even move, because Bryce was using so much processor time.

By the way, my vote goes to the psp. the games will be able to be so much bigger because of the minidisk, and it is just so much better designed IMO

[Matthewmongan]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets


I respectfully request that you not discuss pirating games on these forums.

well it is not the game that would be pirated it would be the system. for a preview period with the entient to buy. the period of preview does not exceede fifthteen(15) days. after witch all program matter is pruged.


thats the going legal disclaimer for those who own mp3s.

[Matthewmongan]

and about the performance it is boubtful that an emulator unless it was made by sony would work. however comparing the pc release of gta, vice city to the playstation version. the pc excells. and when you have 2 gigs of ram you really dont worry about memory my bigest problem is hard drive speed. its just a pain that the pc versions of the games we love come out a year after the ps2 version (on most games).

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Matthewmongan
and about the performance it is boubtful that an emulator unless it was made by sony would work. however comparing the pc release of gta, vice city to the playstation version. the pc excells.

Yeah, but porting a single game is not the same as emulating a system. The PC version of Vice City works better than the PS2 version because the PC you're running it on is likely much, much more powerful than a PS2 and the game was written to take advantage of that fact.

Originally posted by Matthewmongan
its just a pain that the pc versions of the games we love come out a year after the ps2 version (on most games).

Sometimes they don't come out at all. It's a question of whether or not the company doing the porting (the original publisher or one that licenses the game) thinks they can make a profit. PC games are kind of a scary market right now.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Matthewmongan


well it is not the game that would be pirated it would be the system. for a preview period with the entient to buy. the period of preview does not exceede fifthteen(15) days. after witch all program matter is pruged.


thats the going legal disclaimer for those who own mp3s.

I can't speak for the 'going legal disclaimer' for people who trade MP3s or how valid it is and where.

I just asked that you not discuss pirating games.

Creating a piece of software that emulates a console allowing somebody to use software in a way not allowed by the license is the same thing.

So please don't.

It's my livelihod and I take offense, okay? Can we leave it at that?

Besides, I have a hard time believing that anybody who is interested in buying a PS2 (and is also capable enough to be considering trying an 'emulator' first) at this point doesn't know what they're getting into. 'Try before you buy?' Please - that's a very old cop-out.

[Matthewmongan]

but i like that cop out . but on a serious note where do you work? you said you were in the industry.

it would be nice if sony made a card or emulator so you can legaly use your computer as a ps2. same with xbox. im a minimalist i like everything in one box as small as possible, i would definately buy that over a seporate console.

oh and is it illegal to "back up" wour media say dvds or music to a hard drive? i dont see the problem if your not distributing it and its for priviate viewing. i started backing my movies/music up when i got all my stuff stolen from my apartment. i dont have a dvd burner so i really can't do anything outside of my computer and an 8 gig iso file is a bit much to transfer over a P2P

but in the future i think we will see console games do more and more computing. look at xbox its practicly the same think im typing on now.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets
'Try before you buy?' Please - that's a very old cop-out.

i don't think so - how many times have you plunked $50-$60 down on a game and it turns out to be crap? guess what, you can't return it. i try to read reviews before buying, but someone's idea of a great game and mine aren't always the same.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Landshark


i don't think so - how many times have you plunked $50-$60 down on a game and it turns out to be crap? guess what, you can't return it. i try to read reviews before buying, but someone's idea of a great game and mine aren't always the same.

I've bought games I didn't like, of course. I'm not saying you shouldn't try before you buy. As a matter of fact, I encourage it - if you only buy a couple games a year, of course you want it to be something you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of.

But there are legal means for trying it first. It's called renting. That's why it's a cop out - there are legal ways to do it.

[Mr. Pockets]

Originally posted by Matthewmongan
but i like that cop out . but on a serious note where do you work? you said you were in the industry.

I work for Volition as an artist. My team is wrapping up The Punisher right now.

Originally posted by Matthewmongan
it would be nice if sony made a card or emulator so you can legaly use your computer as a ps2. same with xbox. im a minimalist i like everything in one box as small as possible, i would definately buy that over a seporate console.

Wait for the next generation. Things merge more and more.

Originally posted by Matthewmongan
oh and is it illegal to "back up" wour media say dvds or music to a hard drive? i dont see the problem if your not distributing it and its for priviate viewing. i started backing my movies/music up when i got all my stuff stolen from my apartment. i dont have a dvd burner so i really can't do anything outside of my computer and an 8 gig iso file is a bit much to transfer over a P2P

As I understand it, with music you're allowed by law to make a backup. I think it applies to movies. I have no idea how it applies to games, actually. But since the game can only be played on the machine it was made for, and copies won't work on that machine (without modification to the console, which also breaks the license agreement), there's little reason to make a copy.

I understand your concern about theft. That's what homeowner's or renter's insurance is for.

[Landshark]

Originally posted by Mr. Pockets
But there are legal means for trying it first. It's called renting. That's why it's a cop out - there are legal ways to do it.

yes, i love paying $5 for scratched-to-hell games with no instruction manual.

how about PC games? where do you rent those?

renting isn't a solution.

[Matthewmongan]

you can download demo's of some computer games. im waiting for the episodeIII demo from lucasarts to come out.

[Alycone]

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