NO MORE CLICK click CLICK START..ONLY START! starter relay - Page 5

Wikedjuggalo · #61 04-03-2010, 10:11 PM

Trever and Harvey,

Trust me no one wants this clicking to go away more then me. I have searched high and low for this relay but will do so again in an attempted to make sure I haven't missed it. I am not sure about the band aid fix but if that is the root of the problems that is a different story. I appreciate both your guys help .

My issue is special with it being warmer not having the clicking happening as much. as a matter of fact in the past 3 days I haven't really recalled it clicking but it might have. In place of the not clicking I have developed stalling which I will contribute to MAF due to it random and starting right back up. Good thing I have another svx with a good one...

kwren · #62 04-03-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjuggalo

Trust me its not under that dash or near the steering column. I spent 3 hrs today looking for that thing. I did learn a lot about the Clifford alarm system installed on the car. I shifted though all the wires including the "glass break and immobilizer boxes or whatever". They did manage to place the bolt in the proper mounting place but minus the relay.

I think the "Clifford alarm system installed on the car." statement tells volumes!

The "missing relay" is also part of the original alarm system circuit...

Keith

Trevor · #63 04-03-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjuggalo

Trever and Harvey,

Trust me no one wants this clicking to go away more then me. I have searched high and low for this relay but will do so again in an attempted to make sure I haven't missed it. I am not sure about the band aid fix but if that is the root of the problems that is a different story. I appreciate both your guys help .

My issue is special with it being warmer not having the clicking happening as much. as a matter of fact in the past 3 days I haven't really recalled it clicking but it might have. In place of the not clicking I have developed stalling which I will contribute to MAF due to it random and starting right back up. Good thing I have another svx with a good one...

When a security system is not fitted, the starter interrupt relay is not fitted and the relay plug connection is bridged by a simple plug. If your car was not fitted with a security system from new, there will be no relay.

It would appear that you have two intermittent faults and therefore have a real problem. As by now you will realise, you can't locate a fault when it is not playing up.

The ignition switch must be very suspect, as it the item you are moving most often.

You talk about warmth/heat. The major factor here will be the temperature of the actual car. How do things compare, cold/hot engine?

You are the detective on site. Having received information, apply common sense and logic. In these circumstances the simple approach can be vital, and applied on the spot supersedes science. If you find a clue, shout. You are not on your own.

kwren · #64 04-04-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor

When a security system is not fitted, the starter interrupt relay is not fitted and the relay plug connection is bridged by a simple plug. If your car was not fitted with a security system from new, there will be no relay.

Couldn't have said it better... Or could I?

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Originally Posted by kwren

I think the "Clifford alarm system installed on the car." statement tells volumes!

The "missing relay" is also part of the original alarm system circuit...

Keith

Wikedjuggalo · #65 04-04-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kwren

Couldn't have said it better... Or could I?

Keith,

I think I misunderstood you and my apologies for that. I appreciate everyone's help in this matter.

Trevor,

To answer your question about car temperature it has not affected the clicking. I have had it clicking while cold and warm from what I recall. I will start taking note of when it offers again. I have not ,today while driving, noticed it again. The temperature outside has been in the 80-90 (Fahrenheit). I can't comment on the nature of the issue again until it occurs again.

kwren · #66 04-04-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wikedjuggalo

Keith,

I think I misunderstood you and my apologies for that. I appreciate everyone's help in this matter.

I appreciate that, guitar picker. As an old navy man and a guitar picker my self, I am one of your biggest fans!

Keith

NiftySVX · #67 04-04-2010, 10:53 PM

This is funny because I have been meaning to add this relay to my car because it will currently start even with the alarm sounding, as I pulled the security box off the AWD donor car long ago. Perhaps I should leave it?

This crappy relay must be an SOA deal. I know the alarm was handled by SOA..it seems odd that the car would have come with a bosch relay..

kwren · #68 04-05-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NiftySVX

This crappy relay must be an SOA deal. I know the alarm was handled by SOA..it seems odd that the car would have come with a bosch relay..

not as odd as you might think. all of mine use Bosch relays... more than one of them.

the 30,000 miles Bordeaux pearl one ... 36,000 liquid silver miles one, 187,000 miles claret one as well.

Have to admit I was surprised on the first one till I got to considering the possible reasons.

Keith

SVX10 · #69 04-05-2010, 09:13 PM

Worked for me too! YESSSS! Good find...I've been annoyed by this for years

Trevor · #70 04-05-2010, 10:27 PM

The relay involved here uses normally closed contacts which rely on spring pressure, in order to maintain contact. The relay is being used in accordance with its absolute maximum specifications and therefore trouble is always likely. It is included in the security system in order to interrupt the starter circuit, when the system is armed.

If this feature is not considered necessary, or in the event that the OEM security system is nor being used, the relay can be, and should be removed and bypassed.. The two wires coloured blue/white and black/white, connected to the sockets in the connector, which form an inner "T", should be connected together, or the sockets securely bridged.

It could be a good idea to have this information included in the new how too section.

nexus_7 · #71 10-22-2010, 12:27 AM

Finally got around to doing this today...havent had the issue with this car often...but why not. Thanks

Greg

SomethingElse · #72 10-22-2010, 06:11 AM

Sweet! im glad this thread is helping so many PPL!

should it be a sticky yet?

SVXalter · #73 11-06-2010, 05:54 PM

Will this solution only work on cars that originally came with a security system? I have a 1996 L that is clicking and not starting. Is it true that I don't even have the relay?

oab_au · #74 11-10-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SVXalter

Will this solution only work on cars that originally came with a security system? I have a 1996 L that is clicking and not starting. Is it true that I don't even have the relay?

Dan the starter system has a few contacts that fail due to the high current that flows, when the starter is first hit. These are the ignition key switch, gearbox inhibitor switch and the security relay, (if the car is fitted with it). any of these can burn and cause the 'click, click,' problem. The most common, is the gearbox inhibitor switch, you may find it will start if the lever is in N.
The best fix is to fit the Bosch relay to the starter solenoid, to reduce the heavy current flow, through these contacts, as the Bosch 30 amp relay will handle high current flow, saving all the contacts.

Harvey.

dcarrb · #75 06-15-2011, 11:54 AM

The click-no-start-thing revisited:

The silver SVX has had occasional warm-weather-and-engine starting issues as long as I've had it, but almost always turns over after a 3-5 tries. I've replaced the ignition switch and the little under-dash relay, to no avail. Since the weather's turned warm I've been getting the click-business even with a cold engine, which is rare, and could figure on the starter not engaging on the first try maybe half the time.

Changed the battery in this car Sunday; not because the old one had died, just PM. With the battery out I decided to disconnect and clean-up and lube the ground point immediately forward the battery box. (Didn't look bad.) I also put a charger on the new battery.

Since then I've driven it to work twice, to lunch, to the bank, to the gas station. Every time it has started on the first lick. So this probably isn't news to those of you who know about such stuff, but clearly, the trouble (at least with my car) has to do with providing adequate juice for the starter to do its thing. FWIW...

dcb